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Where Is This? No.269

Published on: 21 Jul, 2017
Updated on: 21 Jul, 2017

By David Rose

Nearly everyone who replied to last week’s mysteries gave the correct answers.

The vintage picture showed a view looking along Chertsey Street, Guildford, from North Street.

As some readers pointed out, the buildings on the right-hand side are much the same. Chris Townsend noted some of the traders who were once there along with Messinger’s tool shop. She recalled buying fireworks there, as did John Thorp in his reply.

Kath Kidson has occupied the former Messinger’s shop for a while, but it is moving soon I hear.

The quirky pictured featured a boundary stone at the foot of St Catherine’s Hill near by the river. And clothes being stained by the yellow sand was also mentioned a couple of times, including by Mike Williams in his reply.

Click here for last week’s post and all the replies at the foot of it.

Where was the Vintner’s Arms and can you add any details about it or the other premises either side? Click to enlarge the pictures in new window.

A town centre pub is the mystery vintage picture this week and it being the long-gone Vintner’s Arms. Does anyone remember it and can say where it was in Guildford?

The picture was once in the collection of Guildford breweries and pubs historian, the now late Mark Sturley.

Do you know which building this is?

The quirky picture is a section of roofing on what some may describe as being on a corner at a ‘gateway into Guildford’. The building is not the original on the site, while the business carried on there has been the same for a long time. Do you recognise it?

If you think you know the answers and can add some extra details, please leave a reply in the box below.

The answers, along with the next pair of images, will be published at about the same time next week.

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Responses to Where Is This? No.269

  1. John Lomas Reply

    July 22, 2017 at 12:02 am

    The Vintners Arms was on North Street, the upper facade is still there complete with shutters, the ground floor however now houses two different shops; a coffee shop and a stationers.

    Wasn’t Moffat & Co an army surplus store, particularly for clothing, and also camping and outdoor pursuits gear?

    Carling Gill & Carling was a hardware stores, from memory.

    I think the conical roof is on Jamie’s Italian at the bottom of North Street, junction with Onslow Street.

    • Dave Middleton Reply

      July 29, 2017 at 9:38 am

      Moffatts did indeed deal in military surplus and moved from North Street to the town end of Woodbridge Road, before moving to the old Barclays Bank building at Ram Corner at the top of the High Street, by the traffic lights opposite Holy Trinity Church.

      They closed a few months ago and were supposedly moving to another location in the town, but to date, there’s no sign of them. They’d traded independently in Guildford for around 70 years and I do hope they do come back again.

  2. Dave Middleton Reply

    July 22, 2017 at 11:31 am

    The quirky picture is the roof of H A Fox, the Jaguar dealership at the junction of Woodbridge Road and Ladymead.

    The Vintners Arms was on North Street and is now two shops, Paperchase and the coffee shop Harris & Hoole.

    The shutters on the upper widows are I think still there.

    The pub closed in 1966. I could never get served in the Vintners, but then again I was only four at the time!

  3. Steve Moore Reply

    July 23, 2017 at 7:45 pm

    The Vintners pub was at the bottom of the High Street about where White Lion Walk is now.

  4. Albert Robinson Reply

    July 24, 2017 at 10:43 am

    The Vitners Arms was in North Street opposite the current location of Barclays Bank.

    I first visited Guildford in 1965 and it was still open and when finally moved here in 1966 it was closed.

  5. Mike Williams Reply

    July 24, 2017 at 7:42 pm

    Interesting that many years after the Vintners Arms closed the building has hardly changed and today houses Harris and Hoole plus Paperchase.

    It is in North Street between Swan Lane and M&S.

    Carling Gill & Carling became Robert Dyas and folk could walk through from the High Street.

    Under the word ‘Carling’ is their loading bay. This building became part of the new M&S store years later.

    Hector Goss must have moved his Moffats shop to Woodbridge Road soon after this photo.

    I don’t know about ‘Thomas ladies underwear’ shop. There was a shop called Shirley’s selling similar merchandise lower down North Street and opposite.

    It was run by a man who played in the Salvation Army band.

    Both closed when M&S moved from what is now Boots to its present site and gained access to North Street.

    An interesting wall of matching marble tiles is down the right side of the photo. Could that have been the corner of Cash Homes, with Barclays above?

    The ‘gateway’ is part of Guildford railway station.

  6. Mike Dillon Reply

    July 27, 2017 at 4:51 pm

    The Vintners Arms was in North Street, opposite the old Methodist Church, which stood at the corner of North Street and Woodbridge Road.

  7. Chris Townsend Reply

    July 27, 2017 at 7:48 pm

    The Vintner’s Arms was on North Street, below Swan Lane, between Thomas’s, an old-fashioned draper’s crammed with goods, and Moffat’s outfitters, a good place to buy men’s work clothes.

    Look above the shopfronts to see that those buildings (and the shutters) are still there.

    Lower down the street was the back entrance of Carling, Gill & Carling’s ironmongers, now replaced with a modern building. (I preferred Carling’s.) “Established 1794” refers to the ironmonger’s business on the High Street, predecessor of Carling’s.

    The quirky picture shows part of the car dealer’s at the junction of Ladymead and Woodbridge Road, where the Morris depot was for many years. There’s a glimpse of a jaguar in the photo.

  8. Bill and Doug Stanniforth Reply

    July 28, 2017 at 2:55 pm

    The pub (whose landlord’s name was Nobby) was in North Street.

    It’s now occupied by Harris + Hoole and Paperchase.

    The quirky pic looks like Jamie’s Italian restaurant, but is in fact the Jaguar showroom in Woodbrige Road / A25, originally the Morris Depot which was opposite the Aldershot & District Traction Co. Garage.

  9. Jennie Antliff Reply

    July 28, 2017 at 4:09 pm

    The Vintners Arms was in North Street.

    The building on the right of the picture is the ironmongers Carling Gill & Carling, the shop ran through from North Street to High Street, and I think it became Robert Dyas.

    My mother worked for them for many years.

  10. Margaret Cole Reply

    July 28, 2017 at 6:13 pm

    The Vintners Arms in North Street opposite Woodbridge Road.

    My dad used it and it was an old fashioned men’s pub.

    Second picture is now Jamie’s Italian restaurant, which once was Midland Bank, lower North Street.

  11. Brian Holt Reply

    July 28, 2017 at 9:23 pm

    1. The Vintner’s Arms was in lower North Street between Swan Lane and where Marks & Spencer is today.

    Moffat & Co to the right next door, then Carling, Gill & Carling next door, later it became Robert Dyas.

    2. The building is the H A Fox Jaguar dealership at Ladymead. Formerly Morris Depot, then Wadhams, the picture was taken from Ladymead retail park looking across Ladymead.

  12. Bibhas Neogi Reply

    July 29, 2017 at 9:52 am

    “Where is this?” always gets a lot of replies. This is good fun but this means that all other comments on current topics are pushed down the column and vanishes. Is that a good thing dear moderator?

    May I suggest a separate drop down menu under “LEISURE” for these postings?

    Responses to, “Where is this” are not published until the next puzzle is published, so most responses do not appear on the front page list. In any case, publishing the comments separately would be laborious and we do not have the time. Ed

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